Final Thoughts
May. 24th, 2007 04:43 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
First, an apology. I don't normally let things get to me... heck, I don't normally notice that there are lurkers, much less mind them. So I am sorry I let one incident upset me so much. :( You all are wonderful and I love you all dearly for sticking with me and enjoying my stories, as silly and pointless as they are. ^^;
Secondly, my thoughts on comments, from both a writer and a reader's point of view.
There is no such thing as a useless comment. I get a kick out of 'incoherent' comments, because they mean I did something right to reduce my readers to mindless squeeing. One of my favorite short comments is one Nikery left, that went something along the lines of: "GUH! Wait, I can write more... no, no I really can't. GUH." ^____^ Still makes me smile.
Just because someone already said what you were going to say does not make your opinion any less important. If more than one person liked a particular thing about a story, it lets me know that I'm on the right track there and a similar situation would probably be equally well-liked in future stories. :)
Have a favorite line or scene? Quote it! It gives me lots of warm fuzzies when a reader particularly likes a scene that I'm fond of. Plus, it lets me squee with you. ^___^ I'm very dorky that way.
Really, even a totally pointless, inane comment lets me know that the time I spent writing it was worth it to someone. And it's great encouragement. More on this later.
As for you lurkers... *waves madly* I don't bite! Really! And trust me when I say that whatever stupid comment you think you'd make, I've done worse, and will do worse. Being an idiot seems to be part of my life. ^__^ So really, nothing you say will ever be dumber than what I have or will do. I walk into doors (open and closed) and fall over from a standing position. >.>; Yeah. ^^; Remember
nikerymksherea's Nikkai? She based him off of me. *sheepish grin*
Also, Lurkers = new opinions. After a while a writer learns what her 'regular' readers like and sometimes tailors things to suit. New opinions mean an opportunity for a writer to grow and challenge herself with more diverse stories. All opinions are valuable. They may not always be acted upon, but they're still valuable information.
Confidence. We have none. Zero. This comic I was linked to summarizes pretty well. We are our own worst enemies. The first hour or three from when a story is first posted until the first comment arrives are always the worst, because you sit there biting your nails going "It sucks, it sucks, it sucks, they're going to hate it, I should never have posted it..." There's this terrible insecurity involved with putting your heart on paper, so you fret horribly over whether people think that this thing you love dearly is crap or not.
People are very fragile, and we of the creative persuasion always seem to think the worst of ourselves. Though a person may not comment on a wonderful story because they think they have nothing worth saying, to an author, the thought process goes something like this: Nobody commented = nobody read it (OR) nobody liked it = ZOMG I SUCK I WILL NEVER WRITE AGAIN!!! *SOB*
No, really. We're rather pathetic that way. And amazingly insecure. I'd post snippits of conversation between myself and
maderr in which we're trying to convince each other we don't suck, but she'd probably kill me. ^^; Suffice to say it happens with every single story we write. In M's case, every single chapter. >.>;
Finally, my thoughts as a Reader. Always, always, when I read something I try to leave a comment. Not just because it's polite, but because of a certain way of thinking I have that's always served me rather well in the past. It goes like this:
Comment Thought Process: Author writes pretty story. I read pretty story. Want more pretty story. Gush and squee and profuse undying love to Author. Author will write more story! Yay! Victory! ^^;
And nine times out of ten, it works. I don't really care if I make an idiot out of myself in the process. If it nets me more story, all's good. ;)
*hugs and cookies to you all*
Secondly, my thoughts on comments, from both a writer and a reader's point of view.
There is no such thing as a useless comment. I get a kick out of 'incoherent' comments, because they mean I did something right to reduce my readers to mindless squeeing. One of my favorite short comments is one Nikery left, that went something along the lines of: "GUH! Wait, I can write more... no, no I really can't. GUH." ^____^ Still makes me smile.
Just because someone already said what you were going to say does not make your opinion any less important. If more than one person liked a particular thing about a story, it lets me know that I'm on the right track there and a similar situation would probably be equally well-liked in future stories. :)
Have a favorite line or scene? Quote it! It gives me lots of warm fuzzies when a reader particularly likes a scene that I'm fond of. Plus, it lets me squee with you. ^___^ I'm very dorky that way.
Really, even a totally pointless, inane comment lets me know that the time I spent writing it was worth it to someone. And it's great encouragement. More on this later.
As for you lurkers... *waves madly* I don't bite! Really! And trust me when I say that whatever stupid comment you think you'd make, I've done worse, and will do worse. Being an idiot seems to be part of my life. ^__^ So really, nothing you say will ever be dumber than what I have or will do. I walk into doors (open and closed) and fall over from a standing position. >.>; Yeah. ^^; Remember
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Also, Lurkers = new opinions. After a while a writer learns what her 'regular' readers like and sometimes tailors things to suit. New opinions mean an opportunity for a writer to grow and challenge herself with more diverse stories. All opinions are valuable. They may not always be acted upon, but they're still valuable information.
Confidence. We have none. Zero. This comic I was linked to summarizes pretty well. We are our own worst enemies. The first hour or three from when a story is first posted until the first comment arrives are always the worst, because you sit there biting your nails going "It sucks, it sucks, it sucks, they're going to hate it, I should never have posted it..." There's this terrible insecurity involved with putting your heart on paper, so you fret horribly over whether people think that this thing you love dearly is crap or not.
People are very fragile, and we of the creative persuasion always seem to think the worst of ourselves. Though a person may not comment on a wonderful story because they think they have nothing worth saying, to an author, the thought process goes something like this: Nobody commented = nobody read it (OR) nobody liked it = ZOMG I SUCK I WILL NEVER WRITE AGAIN!!! *SOB*
No, really. We're rather pathetic that way. And amazingly insecure. I'd post snippits of conversation between myself and
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Finally, my thoughts as a Reader. Always, always, when I read something I try to leave a comment. Not just because it's polite, but because of a certain way of thinking I have that's always served me rather well in the past. It goes like this:
Comment Thought Process: Author writes pretty story. I read pretty story. Want more pretty story. Gush and squee and profuse undying love to Author. Author will write more story! Yay! Victory! ^^;
And nine times out of ten, it works. I don't really care if I make an idiot out of myself in the process. If it nets me more story, all's good. ;)
*hugs and cookies to you all*
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Date: 2007-05-25 12:07 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-05-25 12:08 am (UTC)You've expressed this so well. I don't understand people who don't comment, and some of the excuses for not commenting...well, they don't make much sense to me. Even at a basic level, it's just polite to say "thank you" to someone who has just entertained you in some way. In the theater, you clap. In a bookstore, you put down your money to purchase a book. Why do people feel that they can take over the internet and not be at least as curteous as they would ordinarily be if they were being entertained in any other way? Is it merely the anonimity that allows people to be so oblivious?
This topic always frustrates me... ;)
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Date: 2007-05-25 08:59 pm (UTC)I mean, internet-commenting is not the same as showing your appreciation for other forms of entertainment. You can't just clap for the author--they won't hear it. You have to actually use words, and communicate with them. It's not always easy.
At least, for me it isn't. I've been
stalkinglurking in this little writers' circle for about 2 years now and this is my first comment...But I do love all the stories I've read and having more is most definitely a good thing if the authors would so choose to create more. <3
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Date: 2007-05-25 12:15 am (UTC)You're still not getting four chapters of Meant.
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Date: 2007-05-25 12:19 am (UTC)I really should be better about leaving comments on stories, but I'm not. Bad me. I would say I'm going to change, but I've been trying to change that habit for almost ten years. I'm still trying though. *insert dramatic battle music here*
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Date: 2007-05-25 12:24 am (UTC)Sometimes it's easy, because there's something I immediately liked about it that I can describe. (I try to give an impression of general mood, plus at least one specific thing I liked.) Sometimes... not so much.
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Date: 2007-05-25 12:49 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-05-25 02:44 am (UTC)First of all... ohmygod, I totally understand the fingernail-biting and the insecurity. But I get less of that because I'm too lazy to keep on writing.
Nikkai is based off you!? >< I totally loved Nikkai! XD And I've always wondered where she got him from! Hah. I have something else to squee over you about.
I don't usually comment about favorite lines or scenes, usually characters. But I'll probably tell you what they did to make them squee.
You were so right about squeeing and getting fic! >__< In this case, it so works.
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:25 am (UTC)Yay character love! ^___^ That's just as good, maybe better, because characters can always come back for drabbles... ;)
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:13 am (UTC)*squish*
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:17 am (UTC)That said, I am a lurker. I'm trying to be better about it because I figure an eye for an eye. But there are moments when I can't find anything to say at all. I just end up staring at the screen in pure horror. Maybe I should just leave a blank comment when that happens? XP
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:29 am (UTC)Note to self: don't make comments when I'm half-dead and stressed.
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:38 am (UTC)And sometimes it's nice to know that I'm not the only one flipping out each time I post a story. ;3 You guys always seem to come across so confident when you put up stories.
Most of the time, I spend a good ten minutes talking myself out of turning off the comments. Cause if they're off, then I don't have to worry about who comments, how many comment or what they say. ^_^;;
Yours, I think, was the much better approach to the whole commenting minefield though. Now people know what to expect from you and know that you welcome it whole heartedly. *tackle glomps*
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Date: 2007-05-25 04:02 am (UTC)I really hope some good comes of this. ^^; Not just for me, but for all writers whose readers see this little mini-rant. *sheepish*
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Date: 2007-05-25 05:54 am (UTC)My only excuse is work--which is really a poor excuse in the general mein--and an encompassing sense of procrastination. I always mean to "do it later" because right now there are other things I want to do. Meanwhile, the awesome people who write the awesome things I read continue to go without.
And then I feel like a real heel going back like 2-3 weeks later to be like, "oh yeah, forgot to mention earlier but..." so then I just continue with not saying anything at all and you see how this cycle goes on and on?
So umm... sorry? And I'll try to be better about that. I mean, you did write me cowboy-birthday smut, and that totally is worth noting and commenting on. ^_^ *hugs* Thank you.
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:10 pm (UTC)Heh. 2-3 weeks? That's nothing. ;) You should see how long it takes Nikery to reply to stuff sometimes. I die of giggles every time. Plus the random comments to some of my oldest stories. They make me boggle and smile at the same time. ^_____^
*snugs again* I'm very glad you liked your smut. *snugglepurr*
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Date: 2007-05-25 10:22 am (UTC)Ahahaha, that's awesome.
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Date: 2007-05-25 10:05 am (UTC)*laughs*
>.> Now I'm wondering why I don't seem to fret as much and whether that means anything. Really, the only story I worry about is A Constellation of Souls and that's because 3/4 of it isn't mine but belongs to not one but two different people and I might make mistakes XD.
...Or maybe I'm just naturally Zen. Ohhmmmmmm....
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-05-25 10:16 am (UTC)Oh. So that's how you got the sequel for 'Wednesday's William' out of me. xD
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:17 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-05-25 02:34 pm (UTC)i will try to leave more comments. and i don't want to write any excuses/apologies for lurking in the past, 'cause like someone already said, they probably won't make much sense and sound stupid and pathetic anyway. so i too resolve to comment more, even if it's just a squee *fallover headdesk*, and thankee for more story, and bribing maderr for story, although the way you two go back and forth i'm somehow scared to hope.
bah, hope springs anyway.
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:19 pm (UTC)Ahahaha. If only you could see what goes on behind the scenes with Maderr and me. *snicker* We are the two biggest idiots on the face of the planet, I swear. ^___^ But at least we have fun. ^.~
*glomps*
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Date: 2007-05-25 03:42 pm (UTC)but i also have something of a counterpoint. well, sort of. the flipside of the whole 'rejection' feeling a writer gets from lack of comments is also true, at least for me. i know that as a reader, i greatly appreciate it when my comments are acknowledged by the writer. even just a 'thanks for reading/commenting' is fine. it's not as intense as the feeling of rejection you get as an author when no one comments, but just a lack acknowledgment sometimes makes you feel like the writer didn't even bother to read your comment. this isn't directed at you, dearest
anyhow, i'm off to comment on red dragon, since i failed to do so before. ta! and thanks for all your writing. we do love you for it! :)
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Date: 2007-05-25 04:27 pm (UTC)This is very true. ^^; I usually wind up replying to about half of my comments because they inevitably say something that I just have to reply to. *grin* Unless I'm feeling depressed, in which case I reply to fewer comments. >.> But I know M got swamped for a while and wasn't replying to any, and now she's replying to all of them again. o.o; She seems to be either On or Off, no between ground... ^^; Heh.
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Date: 2007-05-25 10:41 pm (UTC)My brain isn't really working right from drinking too much root beer - I prefer non-caffeinated drinks - and my eye keeps twitching...
Anyway... so you really don't bite...? It took me a good ten minutes to convince myself to post this... that was with the caffeine... Yeah. I really enjoy you're stories. I look forward to seeing a snippet or a whole one when I get home. It makes my day. You really are quite the writer. So... keep writing... You're good at it...
(And I can relate on the whole reader and writer viewpoint. It's crushing to not get any comments. That's happened to me. Zilch. Zero. Not even one, once. But as a lurker, I'm already breaking the 1st rule - posting. So I'll fade into the shadows again... Not unlike a ninja...)
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Date: 2007-05-25 10:48 pm (UTC)Heehee. If I HAVE to drink soda, it's Cream Soda. *purr* Otherwise, I stick with tea and juice. Mmmm, juice. Dole makes this LOVELY pineapple-orange-banana thing. Purr. *.* Of course, both of those have enough sugar that I'm hyperactive anyway without the benefit of caffeine... >.>;;
No biting! ^^ Well, unless you ask. Or if I'm channeling Oliae. He bites. But usually only Karai. And his dinner. Hee. ^^ I've had too much chocolate today. >.>;;
NINJA!!! Mwahahaha... NINJA TURTLES!!! ^_________^ */dork moment*
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Date: 2007-05-26 12:57 am (UTC)This comment is also because I wanted to leave one for quite some time but never really go and do it (I think so, it's nearly 2:40 am here and I've read this post 20-30 minutes ago and I take a lot of time to find words, make them in sentences (English is not my maternal language), so perhaps this comment is my 2nd one, but I really don't think so).
Anyway, I'll get to the point now and just say that I love your stories and characters and like I told once to Nikerym 'Ksherea you're one of my "fav' of fav'" but I won't say for you "writer" but more "storyteller" it's the word that came to my mind when I wanted to write writer, I'll try to explain another day if you're interested.
You make me write the bigger comment I've ever made, I hope AOL won't disconnect me like for one comment I've take nearly half an hour to make to Nikerym 'Ksherea (never re-made it, shut off my computer).
Hope I made sense, if not I'm sorry... Hope not to much vocabulary/grammar errors...
Goodnight and love to your characters, stories, imagination,... everything that want it, I'll give some.Now it's 2:57 I'm going to sleep...
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Date: 2007-05-26 01:13 am (UTC)I am most curious about your distinction between 'writer' and 'storyteller'. ^_^ Perhaps some day you'll tell me, hopefully when your AOL is behaving. From what I have experienced, AOL likes to misbehave often. ;)
Hope you slept very well! =^.^=
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Date: 2007-05-26 01:59 am (UTC)In a nutshell, I'm a lurker and I know it. I like the stories I read(not all of them technically) but that doesn't guaranty a review.
On the positive side, you're feeling better!! I have been reviewing more since I read your sad post awhile ago. And you used the link to my comic!! That makes me SOOO HAPPY!!^_^ I like to help people out but I sometimes give the wrong information so I feel bad about it later. But I also love helping people find things to read whether it's books or websites!!
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Date: 2007-05-26 02:53 am (UTC)Lurker
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